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	<title>Comments on: The Reluctant Vegan: &#8220;He&#8217;s not vegan&#8211;he&#8217;s crazy.&#8221;</title>
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	<description>THE PERSONAL IS THE POLITICAL IS THE PERSONAL BLOG OF SUSIE CAGLE</description>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
		<link>http://www.thisiswhatconcernsme.com/2007/10/16/the-reluctant-vegan-hes-not-vegan-hes-crazy/#comment-69377</link>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you're sooooo cute and right, susie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re sooooo cute and right, susie</p>
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		<title>By: warwak</title>
		<link>http://www.thisiswhatconcernsme.com/2007/10/16/the-reluctant-vegan-hes-not-vegan-hes-crazy/#comment-13399</link>
		<dc:creator>warwak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox River Grove parents, your school system is actively keeping gravely serious information from you and your children. People deserve all the information so they can choose wisely about things such as living an extra 10 to 12 years or never having to worry about many cancers, heart attacks or strokes.

I am simply offering information and have not forced food or beliefs down people’s throats. Imagine if just saying or writing something could force people to change.

It is not a “personal choice” when you are eating my friends and you are ruining my world. My tax money subsidizes your “personal choice.” When you made your “personal choice,” did you ask the animal if you could confine, torture, and murder him or her? When you made your “personal choice,” did you ask me if I mind all your pollution and devastation? Just because we personally make selfish choices does not make them “personal choices.”

Humane education reinforced with a vegan school lunch will end school shootings and create a generation that cares. When children see that adults care enough to change, they will care in turn. This is too serious of an issue to leave alone just because some wish to eat unimpeded.

 
http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2008/06/21/opinion/letters/doc485dbfa4c0f0f465862684.txt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox River Grove parents, your school system is actively keeping gravely serious information from you and your children. People deserve all the information so they can choose wisely about things such as living an extra 10 to 12 years or never having to worry about many cancers, heart attacks or strokes.</p>
<p>I am simply offering information and have not forced food or beliefs down people’s throats. Imagine if just saying or writing something could force people to change.</p>
<p>It is not a “personal choice” when you are eating my friends and you are ruining my world. My tax money subsidizes your “personal choice.” When you made your “personal choice,” did you ask the animal if you could confine, torture, and murder him or her? When you made your “personal choice,” did you ask me if I mind all your pollution and devastation? Just because we personally make selfish choices does not make them “personal choices.”</p>
<p>Humane education reinforced with a vegan school lunch will end school shootings and create a generation that cares. When children see that adults care enough to change, they will care in turn. This is too serious of an issue to leave alone just because some wish to eat unimpeded.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2008/06/21/opinion/letters/doc485dbfa4c0f0f465862684.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2008/06/21/opinion/letters/doc485dbfa4c0f0f465862684.txt</a></p>
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		<title>By: this is what concerns me: &#187; vegertainment: all &#8220;green,&#8221; no good(e)</title>
		<link>http://www.thisiswhatconcernsme.com/2007/10/16/the-reluctant-vegan-hes-not-vegan-hes-crazy/#comment-13383</link>
		<dc:creator>this is what concerns me: &#187; vegertainment: all &#8220;green,&#8221; no good(e)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for ABC, &#8220;The Goodes,&#8221; about a family of vegans who mean well but fall into a lot of the usual guilt-laden traps. Of course the frustrating thing is that vegans are a perfect target for great, slightly nuanced [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for ABC, &#8220;The Goodes,&#8221; about a family of vegans who mean well but fall into a lot of the usual guilt-laden traps. Of course the frustrating thing is that vegans are a perfect target for great, slightly nuanced [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Randy W. Sandberg</title>
		<link>http://www.thisiswhatconcernsme.com/2007/10/16/the-reluctant-vegan-hes-not-vegan-hes-crazy/#comment-8322</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy W. Sandberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susie,

Several hundred years ago African Americans were thought of by the majority of people as "lowly animals" (i.e., chattel). Abolitionists of the day, calling for the end of slavery, were thought of as crackpots, cRaZy dreamers, agitators, etc. Fast forward to the Civil Rights Movement. Same thing. Martin Luther King Junior gave a brilliant speech stating African Americans want ALL of their rights HERE in the United States NOW. He was hated by many people and even called a communist by the FBI.

The list of people who were brave enough to tell the truth to the world even though the world wasn't ready to hear them is long and bloody. But, if it were not for these brave "agitators" where would we be now? I take the bus to work everyday and thank goodness for all the brave "Rosa Parks" of the past that had the guts to stand up against injustice and do what was needed to be done.

Veganism: The boycott of an evil industry that enslaves nonhuman animals is still in its infancy similar to the abolitionist movement to end the Slave Trade in the late 1700s and then the abolitionist movement in the 1800s to end slavery altogether. Social injustice movements generally begin with a handful of people who against all odds do what is needed to wake the sleeping masses up and eventually persevere. Thus, if someone has the guts to nonviolently educate his or her class about veganism I applaud them. Just like I applaud those brave folks of the past who dared to teach that cRaZy theory of evolution.

In conclusion, Susie, please think about people of the past who tried their best to educate others and were wrongly shot down for it AND remember that it's thanks to them, for example, that it is now "mostly" excepted that the world is not only round but is NOT located in the center of the universe.

Sincerely,

Randy William Sandberg
Webmaster
www.AbolitionistApproach.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susie,</p>
<p>Several hundred years ago African Americans were thought of by the majority of people as &#8220;lowly animals&#8221; (i.e., chattel). Abolitionists of the day, calling for the end of slavery, were thought of as crackpots, cRaZy dreamers, agitators, etc. Fast forward to the Civil Rights Movement. Same thing. Martin Luther King Junior gave a brilliant speech stating African Americans want ALL of their rights HERE in the United States NOW. He was hated by many people and even called a communist by the FBI.</p>
<p>The list of people who were brave enough to tell the truth to the world even though the world wasn&#8217;t ready to hear them is long and bloody. But, if it were not for these brave &#8220;agitators&#8221; where would we be now? I take the bus to work everyday and thank goodness for all the brave &#8220;Rosa Parks&#8221; of the past that had the guts to stand up against injustice and do what was needed to be done.</p>
<p>Veganism: The boycott of an evil industry that enslaves nonhuman animals is still in its infancy similar to the abolitionist movement to end the Slave Trade in the late 1700s and then the abolitionist movement in the 1800s to end slavery altogether. Social injustice movements generally begin with a handful of people who against all odds do what is needed to wake the sleeping masses up and eventually persevere. Thus, if someone has the guts to nonviolently educate his or her class about veganism I applaud them. Just like I applaud those brave folks of the past who dared to teach that cRaZy theory of evolution.</p>
<p>In conclusion, Susie, please think about people of the past who tried their best to educate others and were wrongly shot down for it AND remember that it&#8217;s thanks to them, for example, that it is now &#8220;mostly&#8221; excepted that the world is not only round but is NOT located in the center of the universe.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Randy William Sandberg<br />
Webmaster<br />
<a href="http://www.AbolitionistApproach.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.AbolitionistApproach.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: kathryn</title>
		<link>http://www.thisiswhatconcernsme.com/2007/10/16/the-reluctant-vegan-hes-not-vegan-hes-crazy/#comment-8156</link>
		<dc:creator>kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Suzie, personally I'm with you.  Good post, excellent argument.  You can't shove your opinions down other people's throats - we all have the right to make up our own minds.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't make them evil, child abusers or perpetrators of a crime.  They just don't agree with you.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzie, personally I&#8217;m with you.  Good post, excellent argument.  You can&#8217;t shove your opinions down other people&#8217;s throats - we all have the right to make up our own minds.</p>
<p>Just because someone doesn&#8217;t agree with you, doesn&#8217;t make them evil, child abusers or perpetrators of a crime.  They just don&#8217;t agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Vigneault</title>
		<link>http://www.thisiswhatconcernsme.com/2007/10/16/the-reluctant-vegan-hes-not-vegan-hes-crazy/#comment-7899</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine Vigneault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point 1:
You know, I have a lot of friends who are above average intelligence. In fact, I'd say ALL of my friends are smarty-pants. That doesn't mean average people don't exist.

You wrote:
"I donâ€™t know one vegan who chose â€œthe lifestyleâ€ because they saw a disgusting PETA video or were yelled at for wearing leather."
Your personal life experiences are not the end all and be all of reality. 

Just because you don't know anyone who attributes their veganism to the abrasive methods some folks use, doesn't mean they haven't been influenced by them and it doesn't mean there aren't people out there that "disgusting PETA videos" influence. 

Point 2:
Take a close look at your argument. Substitute the name of another marginalized group and reread it. 

It doesn't matter how non-mainstream Warwak is. He's a little odd, so what? Most art teachers are. It's really not relevant how eccentric he is. Warwak was teaching his students about false advertising, compassion, integrity, and truth. 

If you really don't think kids deserve to learn the truth just say so. But don't go around calling people names like "crazy" just so meat-eaters won't call you crazy.  

Point 3:
I do not appreciate being called crazy. I am not crazy. Do not defame me. Attack my argument, not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point 1:<br />
You know, I have a lot of friends who are above average intelligence. In fact, I&#8217;d say ALL of my friends are smarty-pants. That doesn&#8217;t mean average people don&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>You wrote:<br />
&#8220;I donâ€™t know one vegan who chose â€œthe lifestyleâ€ because they saw a disgusting PETA video or were yelled at for wearing leather.&#8221;<br />
Your personal life experiences are not the end all and be all of reality. </p>
<p>Just because you don&#8217;t know anyone who attributes their veganism to the abrasive methods some folks use, doesn&#8217;t mean they haven&#8217;t been influenced by them and it doesn&#8217;t mean there aren&#8217;t people out there that &#8220;disgusting PETA videos&#8221; influence. </p>
<p>Point 2:<br />
Take a close look at your argument. Substitute the name of another marginalized group and reread it. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter how non-mainstream Warwak is. He&#8217;s a little odd, so what? Most art teachers are. It&#8217;s really not relevant how eccentric he is. Warwak was teaching his students about false advertising, compassion, integrity, and truth. </p>
<p>If you really don&#8217;t think kids deserve to learn the truth just say so. But don&#8217;t go around calling people names like &#8220;crazy&#8221; just so meat-eaters won&#8217;t call you crazy.  </p>
<p>Point 3:<br />
I do not appreciate being called crazy. I am not crazy. Do not defame me. Attack my argument, not me.</p>
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